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Post by Admin on Dec 9, 2016 17:32:11 GMT
No onside flick is allowed to the defender when the attacker flicks a figure onside after a corner or a throw in.
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Post by Cardboard Castle on Dec 9, 2016 19:36:24 GMT
Good rule, I agree
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Post by jason on Dec 9, 2016 19:58:27 GMT
Yup love it .... And in the case when the attacker is allowed an onside flick the figure can only be flicked in a straight line back toward their one half... The following flick then allowed to the defender must be to mark the man that has just been flicked onside. It cannot be used as a standard block flick.
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Post by youbutteo on Dec 9, 2016 20:35:13 GMT
Yea "defender flick" as when they get a counter offside flick outside the throw & corner as they dont get one then!.
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Post by mfarrell on Dec 11, 2016 13:03:58 GMT
Reading the op, does that mean the guys in Derry play their events to the 'old rules' as they are known or to the other type 'fistf' rules?
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Post by youbutteo on Dec 11, 2016 14:17:22 GMT
The WASPA "Advanced rules" we are using are the old rules.
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Post by mfarrell on Dec 11, 2016 14:33:51 GMT
Cheers
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Post by Admin on Dec 11, 2016 15:29:25 GMT
I don't think I'd ever get all the fistf rules into my head.
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Post by youbutteo on Dec 12, 2016 5:07:29 GMT
I suppose all the formats are more a less the same with the majority of rules, well since the first 1.0 Subbuteo 1988 format which is now funny enough (I just learned) WASPA "Advanced rules" exact rule for rule. There is a right few added exceptions to certain rules that's about it. I do though like the older rules as they are more technical and tactical and WILL punish you for sloppy play.
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Post by Admin on Dec 12, 2016 10:54:16 GMT
FISTF is hard to beat if you're into being fussy and technical. An example- I was watching a FISTF tournament the other day on youtube. The attacker flicked his figure towards the ball, no issues there except that when he was lifting his flicking hand from where he had it positioned he barely touched his opponents figure, hardly moved it. His opponent called him up on it and possession changed. Nonsense.
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Post by mfarrell on Dec 12, 2016 17:31:19 GMT
That's indeed a free-kick.
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Post by Admin on Dec 12, 2016 19:36:23 GMT
A free kick? Jesus that is serious. I don't agree with being clumsy but that's quite strict. Wouldn't want to have shaky hands! But point noted for future fistf events. Cheers.
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Post by boogiedout on Dec 14, 2016 0:08:15 GMT
For the fistf rules you would need lot of members in a club for refereeing. Not really practical in today's subbuteo climate. The great thing about the WASPA is that you can run a tournament with as little as three members and still be placed within the rest of the world playing. It's a niche game to say the least. Even In the countries where it is big business it's still really small. Any new clubs starting out would be mad to adopt the FISTF rules over WASPA.
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Post by mfarrell on Dec 14, 2016 10:02:00 GMT
I think that summary is a bit harsh. It's easy to think of fistf rules and official fistf tournaments being inseparable, but there is a difference. I have played fistf rules meets lonly last month with 10 players, but no refs as it was not an official tournament as sanctioned. Not a single dispute as most guys were known to each other. You wouldn't dream of doing that in Italy at a fistf tournament and could not anyway in the rules but neither would you do it at an old rules tourney. Both codes attract competitive players, fistf more so I would say, but it totally comes down to where and who you are playing with as the main driver in deciding on the need for refs. A lot of the more technical rules are let go say at Irish events I have run that wouldn't be let go at a Grand Prix in Europe.
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Post by Admin on Dec 14, 2016 10:52:09 GMT
All good points in fairness. If everyone plays to one set of rules then there isn't a problem. I think some people might get some of the rules mixed up, myself included. By that I mean calling a FISTF rule in an advanced rule situation. This wouldn't be done intentionally but maybe due to a lack of defining which rule governs what situation. As we go along, we can all learn from experience and from each other.
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